Sabrina Chevannes: Welcome to this week’s episode of No Bullshit Talks.

I’m very pleased to be joined here today with Gagandeep Singh, who is an author and entrepreneur, but he’s also an Indian world record holder, which is pretty impressive.

I think too hard about whether anything is very, very impressive.

So I want to talk about that stuff with you because, obviously, there’s not many people I’ve spoken to who hold a world record at something.

So do you want to tell me about how you got into that Indian world record, and what it took to get that?

Gagandeep Singh: Thanks Sabrina, thanks for having me on the show, first of all.

And as you already said that I’m an Indian Book of Records holder, I’m also an author, and I’m also an entrepreneur.

So, talking about the record, I made this record in December 2021, last year on my birthday actually, and it was about the most pull-ups in 12 hours.

So basically, I could do 12 pull-ups for 12 hours, and wear and tear.

And I did 3,101 pull-ups and actually became the first Indian to achieve this feat.

So, the record actually took me that long. I would say the process of the record started in 2020 when I was reading a book which was “Can’t Hurt Me” by David Goggins. I’m sure you might have heard about it.

Gagandeep Singh: Like, I was reading the story of David Goggins. He was a very strong person.

He was a Navy SEAL, ultramarathon runner, and endurance cyclist.

And I heard that this person had done all these great extraordinary things in his life.

But when I came to learn about his background, from the very beginning, he was not that strong.

You know, he was bullied.

I mean, his background was not that strong. His foundation was not that solid, so that gave me the inspiration.

Like, this person had come back this strong from that background.

And he also attempted one record of most pull-ups in 24 hours.

And I took inspiration from that book and actually set out to make this record.

And at that point, I had written this goal in my list of goals that someday I’ll make this record for 12 hours, if not 24 hours, and someday for 48 hours, definitely.

Sabrina Chevannes: People could do that.

I can sense a goal and just set out to do it.

So can you tell me what you actually did?

Like, so the goal was inside. This is our goal, and then what did you do?

What did you do to train?

Gagandeep Singh: Yeah, I mean the first process, the first step I would say, is visualization.

And most people actually fail there because they don’t believe in themselves.

Number one, they’re going to tell themselves that they’re going to do something extraordinary, and they talk themselves out of it.

Like, they don’t believe in the first place that they can do it.

So the first step would be to believe that you can do it.

Like, I did not even think for a moment whether I could do it or not because at that moment, and you wouldn’t believe this, I was not able to do even 10 pull-ups in a row.

And at that time, I was writing that I would do pull-ups for 12 hours, so it was completely impossible for me at that point.

But I did not let that discourage me to throw away the goal, and I then started to build upon this.

And the first thing is visualization, and the second thing is your work ethic.

Like, if you believe in something and you put in the work, then it’s going to happen.

And I started to train for this record for eight or ten months seriously, and I was training for like two to three hours every single day doing pull-ups specifically for this record.

And that was the thing that actually helped me to break this record.

The first thing is visualization, to believe that you can do it.

And the second thing is work ethic.

And then the third thing was actually during the time of the record, which was mental toughness.

Sabrina Chevannes: And you say probably maybe I should leave myself and try to do it. Maybe it’s possible.

But honestly, I wouldn’t be able to start to talk to do that.

But, you know, lots of people have a so-called typical one, is to lose weight, right?

Lots of people want to lose weight and get back into shape or something, whether that’s to look better or to feel stronger, whatever the typical fitness goal of some kind.

Most people will have some kind of fitness goal.

What most people fail to do is make money quickly as well.

I take every gym membership, they do so well during the beginning of the year because everyone joins the gym and thinks they’re going to start working out.

And then come September, they just can’t be bothered anymore.

Sabrina Chevannes: So why do so many people fail then?

It’s not that I don’t want to believe or not believe that I could do it.

Gagandeep Singh: See, first of all, it’s about consistency.

Like, most people are not consistent.

Even if you have to become a world champion, then you have to be better than what you were doing yesterday.

So it’s like competition with yourself every single day.

Like, even if you have to be a world champion, let’s say somebody comes to you and says to you, “I have to be a world champion.”

And you ask him, “Okay, in which field do you want to become a world champion?”

And he says to you that, “I want to break the record of Usain Bolt.”

Okay, so let’s say what’s the record of Usain Bolt right now? Let’s say it’s 9.45 in 100 meters, whatever.

And what’s your record right now? He says that my record is 12 seconds.

So tomorrow when you go to the field, will you beat 9.45 at 12?

Right, 11.99, 11.98, 11.97.

If you are better than what you were yesterday, one day you’ll beat Usain Bolt.

So that’s how it goes.

But most people are not willing to put in that consistency, that kind of consistency we want.

Sabrina Chevannes: And I’m going to let you know.

Because I’m pretty sure that 99% of the world population are not going to beat Usain Bolt because he is an extraordinary force.

And he’s setting records, and maybe he could do it, but if your record is 12 seconds, that’s pretty slow as well.

It’s like, you know, you might get to 10, but you’re not going to break him.

Gagandeep Singh: I think it’s possible if you believe it.

Like, Usain Bolt had not set this record of 9.45 seconds in the very first attempt that he did, right?

He trained for it and practiced for it.

Like, if you even look at the example of Roger Bannister, people had this mental barrier that you cannot run a mile in four minutes, but he broke that mental barrier because actually he believed that.

So it’s first of all about believing that you can do it.

And if you look in chess as well, most of the winners, like the best of the best, have this mindset that they are not satisfied with second place.

Like, if you even look at Magnus Carlsen, if he gets second place, he has a miserable face, right?

He’s not satisfied with second place.

He only wants first place.

So that is the kind of mindset of the winners.

Like, they are not satisfied with anything less than first position.

Sabrina Chevannes: So, not the agility to do that, and I didn’t love the game as much as he does.

He has a true passion for the game that you need for some reason.

I don’t have no interest in so many other different things, but I feel that you have otherwise.

It’s not as special that if some people did that, I think one of us skinny ones was the world’s heavyweight champion.

It’s not really a fair fight.

But yeah, I think there’s definitely some sort of limits to it there.

But you’re saying that you think that you could perhaps put mental agility behind anything and set your goal to become world champion.

Gagandeep Singh: No, I mean, you’re absolutely right about that.

Some people have that natural ability.

They have this talent.

They are just born with that gift of doing something in a particular area of life.

Everybody can’t be LeBron James.

Everybody can’t be Michael Jackson.

Everybody can’t be Usain Bolt.

Some people are just born with it.

But the thing is, there are many people who are born with that gift, but they’re not actually refining that, so nobody comes to know about them, right?

So even if you believe that you have that, how do you come to know about it?

Do you have that gift or not?

You will come to know about that when you actually start to train for it and have that mentality.

Sabrina Chevannes: Right, yeah.

Maybe I should go back for it later on down the line.

But you must, in some ways, get that book and reconnect in that book that spoke to you.

You spoke about dreams of going for that goal and that you really wanted to do this, and you had the grit and determination and the work ethic and willpower to do this.

Not everyone has that.

So how does someone know the difference between that and, you know, giving up several times or something before, right?

I’m guessing there’s lots of things in life that you tried to do and did not succeed.

What is the difference between one of those instances and this one?

Because I feel like not everyone is going to pick up something one night, read a book, and say, “I really want to do that. I’m going to do it,” and succeed because most people are not going to succeed.

So what is the difference?

Why do you think you succeeded but maybe failed at something in the past?

Gagandeep Singh: I think it’s about doing what you love that you mentioned.

Like, you have to be completely obsessed about that.

Any great person that you see in any area of life, they’re completely obsessed about their craft.

I don’t believe in this bullshit of people that talk about work-life balance.

They talk about how you have to have this work-life balance.

Just give me one name of any great person that you remember that had work-life balance in any part of their life, right?

They had work-life balance after they became great, but before that they did not have any balance.

So, you have to be completely obsessed with your craft.

Like in business, sports, in any activity.

You know, Kobe Bryant talks about it.

He used to have three to four hours of sleep and he used to train every single waking day.

And Elon Musk talks about it, like work hard every single waking hour of your day.

So it’s about obsession.

It’s about completely loving your craft and whatever you’re doing.

I think it’s more about that.

I think I will not be able to completely explain it in words, but you’ll have to be completely obsessed about it.

Like, you have to think day and night about it.

I think that would be much more appropriate.

Sabrina Chevannes: Hey, you mentioned Kobe Bryant. That almost brought a tear to my eye.

Still can’t talk about him.

If you get to use a basketball analogy, let’s just say Michael Jordan.

And so many people I know, so many business entrepreneurs, read it and they really liked it.

It’s like a Bible, I get it, but the premise is really good.

But he’s saying that all you use is four hours in a week, get a VA and they’ll do everything for you, but that’s not true.

So first, we have one of the best work ethics.

It’s something about, yeah, you have to beat yesterday and your competition is with yourself.

It’s an easy measurable thing because it’s like, okay.

So I say yes, that’s what, and I’m sure the goal was not easy.

I’m sure it wasn’t.

So what if you want—

Gagandeep Singh: It’s all about discipline, I would say.

People talk about all these clichés like, “Do whatever you love,” you know, passion, passion, passion.

Everything is all about passion these days.

But there are going to be some days when you don’t feel like doing what you love.

That’s simply the truth.

Whatever you love, in whatever area of your life, you’re not going to wake up every single day and say, “Hey, I’m excited to do that.”

No, that’s not going to happen.

So on those days, you have to remind yourself why you are doing this.

You have to remember your purpose, why you’re doing this.

And if your purpose, that foundation, is actually strong, then you will find that discipline and that motivation to actually go through that.

And it’s about choice.

My hands were completely tearing apart when I was training for that.

I was having extreme calluses all over my hands, and it was all about that.

But I had this discipline and mental toughness, that work ethic, that I have to do this.

Gagandeep Singh: And even if I come to the actual attempt that I made, then during the very first hour my hands started to rip apart.

So what happened?

But I still continued to go on.

I had that purpose in mind.

But what happened was in the 10th hour, my wrist completely snapped.

So the very next pull-up, right, I was actually doing it on one hand.

Like the very first pull-up I did, I could actually feel that my wrist would just fall off.

So at that moment, it was a very crucial moment because at that moment I had to remind myself why I am doing this.

Because that is the moment when your mind starts telling you the reasons that you should quit now, that why do you have to do this?

You are living a good life.

You don’t have to do all these things.

And what do you tell yourself at that moment?

That is very crucial.

And I told myself at that moment, if I make this record and if I attempt it successfully, then it could be an inspiration to many other people.

Because from my childhood, I was not a very strong person.

And I wanted to break the stigma that you cannot do anything related to sports or anything physical because I was not considered strong or athletic when I was a child.

So I had to break that.

Like, if I can do it, then everybody else can do that as well.

And secondly, it was all about proving those people wrong.

Like, they had this belief about me that I cannot do this.

So these are all these different mental models that you have to use to motivate yourself every single day.

Every single day, you have to develop some kind of mental model, right?

Because motivation can only go so far.

It cannot sustain for long.

So it’s about discipline and work ethic and nothing else.

Sabrina Chevannes: I am just horrified.

So just imagine your wrist survived another two more hours with a broken wrist?

Gagandeep Singh: Yeah, I did not actually tell anyone because if I told anyone, they would not allow me to continue.

So I just kept on going.

Sabrina Chevannes: It must be so interesting about how, as a kid, you weren’t strong from a physical perspective, and this is one of the hardest things.

At that moment there, people would be crying, “What’s the point? What is the point? Why am I doing this?”

But the fact that you thought you could inspire other people, that’s incredible.

But then answer a little bigger because you said that a lot of people say that you have to do something for yourself first.

Like, you have to want to do it yourself because if you do it for other people, that’s always the wrong driving force.

Weight loss is that one.

You’ve got all these places that, as a female, women say men find me attractive.

That’s kind of a typical thing, or I’m trying to impress this boy or vice versa.

That’s what I heard when I was growing up.

I think that you never really do something unless you really, really want to do it.

So you had a driving factor of other people and proving them wrong, but you must have inside wanted to do it for your purpose.

What was your personal reason that you attached to that?

Gagandeep Singh: For me, it was all about leaving everything on the table.

It’s about dying empty, without leaving anything inside me.

Most people have this greatness within them, but they die without realizing that greatness, without becoming who they were truly born to be.

So it’s about releasing everything that you were born to be, whether it’s in business, sports, or anything.

We think that we are doing everything, using every single bit of energy.

It should be completely squeezed out of you.

And you talk about people having this discussion about not having these external motivations, about how you cannot use people as external motivation, but I think it’s critical and very important to use them because you cannot be internally motivated all the time.

You cannot always be thinking about, “I’m going to die someday and I have to do this.”

It can work some of the time, but it does not work all the time.

And you have to use it as fuel.

Even if you watch The Last Dance, Michael Jordan talks about it all the time.

There are many moments where he talks about how somebody said something to him and he took that personally.

So that’s the thing.

You have to use everything as motivation.

The best of the best, even in chess or any sport, they always use this thing as motivation.

Like someone tells them that they can’t do it, and they go out and do it in their face.

Sabrina Chevannes: Very important.

I think that so many great people have achievements because somebody told them they couldn’t or someone else told them that they are not very good.

And they try to prove them all wrong.

I think that it is a huge motivational factor, which is why I find it interesting that everybody says you should do it for yourself.

I do believe that you need to want to do it yourself and you need to want it, but I think those are still powerful driving factors.

I’ve had so many negative things said to me, and I’m just going to show them that.

Let’s go back to what you’re saying about how you weren’t physically strong as a kid.

You might have, because of sports or whatever, so how does someone who wasn’t physically strong become a world record holder in a physical activity?

Did that kind of play in your head while you were trying to train for this?

And was that some motivational thought as well?

Gagandeep Singh: I mean, as a child, I was not allowed to take part in physical sports activities.

Even teachers actually used to tell me that you cannot do it, so you should not waste your time here.

You should focus more on academics and studies.

That should be your main focus.

And actually, that is why I wrote in a book that it’s not what happens to you that matters, but what you do about what happens to you, that is what really matters.

It’s all about your perception.

How do you perceive that?

Do you take it as criticism or do you actually build upon that?

Do you actually use that as motivation?

These people are actually saying these things to me, so one day I’ll have to prove them wrong.

And I think it’s more about self-esteem as well because most people these days have very low self-esteem.

We are already living in a very feel-good, idealistic bullshit world where everybody wants to feel good about themselves without actually putting in the work.

Even if you take the case of social media, people want validation and approval from other people.

They are not putting in the work and still want validation from other people.

If you truly believe in something, you will just go for it, right?

You will definitely take advice, but you will surely not listen to any other person whether they say you can do it or not.

So I think it’s all about that.

Sometimes people just want to impress you, so they say, “Hey, you look nice.”

Well, I don’t need you to tell me that I look nice.

Matter of fact, I tell myself every morning that I look nice.

So it needs to be about that.

Gagandeep Singh: You need to have that self-esteem and a strong belief in yourself.

Sabrina Chevannes: It’s not as easy as saying, “Oh, you need to believe in yourself,” because people may be struggling with it.

Maybe they love negative comments about themselves.

They believe it and they have an internal demon that tells them all these bad things.

How do you help someone who’s lacking self-esteem try to become more confident?

Gagandeep Singh: Yeah, I think it’s about progressing because you cannot build self-esteem and self-confidence in just one day.

So it’s a process.

There will be demons inside you that tell you that you cannot do it or that you’re not good enough.

They’re going to constantly remind you about your previous life, like what kind of a shady person you used to be.

So it’s about ignoring that voice and continuing to work on yourself because confidence is something that you build through progress.

Whatever you achieve actually builds your confidence.

So if you are just thinking, “I can do that, I can do that,” that kind of stuff doesn’t work.

I read a lot of self-help books, but some of the stuff that people write in that is just kind of bullshit, right?

Because they say that everything’s going to be alright.

No, everything is not going to be alright if you’re not putting in the work to make it alright.

So all these kinds of things, you have to put in the work and that actually develops your confidence.

Like in chess, if you have not practiced the opening, if you have not practiced the endgame, then you’re not going to become confident while playing it.

You have to build that competence within you.

Sabrina Chevannes: People also hate themselves.

Social media is very toxic.

People pull up pictures, want to have 12 people like them, and then write some type of thing to feel better about it.

But I do think external validation is necessary for self-esteem.

I think maybe from people who you actually love and care about and trust because I’m sure that during your journey while you were doing this, not everyone alienated you.

I’m sure lots of people were saying, “Are you crazy?” or, “Why are you doing this? What’s the point of doing this?”

I’m sure you heard that a lot.

But I’m sure there were also a few cool people who were like, “How’s it going?”

Gagandeep Singh: But even if you look at very high performers like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, they did not have many friends.

They had a very small circle, but they had many allies that they looked up to or took inspiration from.

So I think it’s about building that community within yourself.

Like, what are the kind of people that I need to maintain in my inner circle?

And who are the people that I need to talk to about some things?

And I can learn from these people.

I can take some inspiration from these people because these people are actually putting in the work, actually doing something in their life, and approaching towards their vision.

So you need to have that clear-cut mindset and understanding between the people that you’re surrounding yourself with because it’s all about, I’m sure you might have heard about that quote, As a Man Thinketh, “As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he,” right?

So that word “heart” actually means your subconscious mind.

So whatever you’re surrounding yourself with, the kind of music that you’re listening to, the movies that you’re watching, and the kind of people that you’re listening to and surrounding yourself with, all those factors actually matter a lot because that is the sum total of your total being.

That is who you become.

Sabrina Chevannes: I think it’s quality over quantity.

Like I say, for example, right now I have a handful of people who are very, very dependable.

But if they believe in me, that’s all I need to do anything.

I just need the people I really truly care about, who I know truly care about me.

I don’t care what other people say because you’re not going to believe them.

That’s enough to keep me going.

So I get that not many people believed that you could do it, but I’m sure the people who did believe you could do it meant even more.

If you know some people and 998 of them were like, “You’re so stupid. Why are you doing this?” but those two people believed that you could do it, then that probably means a lot more to you.

I think that must have helped you to get there.

And like you said about Steve Jobs, when you get older, you start to realize who your real friends are.

Your values change.

And I think that’s it.

You stick around people who have similar values and aspirations and goals.

And like you said, people who don’t have any lofty goals, I think you need to be around people who do.

Otherwise, they don’t understand that.

So I think that’s really important.

And I think it’s normal to have a few people.

But you mentioned earlier about self-improvement books, and that’s something that I love doing as well.

Probably, which ones stood out to you?

Because obviously you read a book that actually inspired you.

What other books have you read that you love and have inspired you?

Gagandeep Singh: Yeah.

So the very first book that I read was As a Man Thinketh by James Allen in 2019.

It’s a very good book, and actually that built the foundation of the kind of mindset and belief that I have.

Because all that book is about this one line: “As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.”

Like that word “heart,” I have already told you, is about your subconscious mind.

And that was the book that helped me.

Gagandeep Singh: Then I read The Power of Your Subconscious Mind.

That actually helped me to understand more about these concepts like acceptance.

You know, the Bible also, because it’s a very good book about mentality and wisdom through these stories and anecdotes that it tells you.

It completely resonates even today in the situations that we find ourselves trapped in.

So those are the two books that actually helped me to build that mindset, to build that mentality, and actually come to know about this concept of surrounding yourself with the right kind of people, right?

Because that is the most important thing.

So I started to surround myself with the right kind of people and started to read all these books, and that was the turning point for me.

Sabrina Chevannes: Yeah, that’s definitely exactly that, I think so.

I think the people you surround yourself with say a lot about who you are.

But tell me about your book because you didn’t say.

What’s your book about and what inspired you to write it?

Gagandeep Singh: Yeah, so the first book I wrote was actually in 2020.

And I took the inspiration because I was reading a lot of books by that time, so I thought, “I’m reading all these books and I am seeing the changes in my life, so why don’t I write a book myself?”

So I started to write my first book in 2020, and it took me about three or four months to finish it.

And my first book is called Five Keys to Living Effectively.

It’s a self-help book, and it’s all about, I would say, not much more about self-help, but about the experiences and things that helped me become a better person, from being an insecure introverted person to a person who could actually go after what he believes in.

So that was the first book that I started to write.

And then I wrote three novels and another self-help book, including a ghostwritten book which I wrote for my client.

So that was a novel.

Yeah, definitely.

I have not written the one bestselling book yet, but definitely, I mean, for that—

Sabrina Chevannes: Okay.

Gagandeep Singh: Yeah, until I release a bestseller.

Sabrina Chevannes: Absolutely.

Gagandeep Singh: I’m working on that.

I’m connecting with some other authors who are already bestsellers, and I’m learning from them, learning from their experiences.

Like, how did they reach that level?

What are the things that they actually implemented in their writing that helped them reach millions of readers?

And it’s all about that stuff.

Nothing special about that.

And I am also working on one startup as well.

Sabrina Chevannes: We find people’s reactions about you interesting because these guys don’t have a lot of time, especially when they’re writing and doing all that.

And I have a lot of friends who are authors.

And when I got to know them, you can be disturbed that they wanted to help.

And also, these guys are obviously very successful.

Like when you’ve reached out to them and asked them for advice, have they had a lot of objections or have they generally been helpful?

What’s the response been like?

Gagandeep Singh: Sometimes you have to just reach out to people directly through email or cold emailing and all that stuff.

But some people don’t respond because they’re busy and they have their own schedules, so they’re not able to keep up with me.

But some of them are actually very supportive.

They helped me understand the things that they have done to become a bestseller.

And they tell me every little secret, every little step, what are the kind of things that we have to do to reach that next level.

We’re not talking about instant success.

They’re talking about how it’s going to take long, but if you persevere for a long time, then you’re going to achieve that.

Sabrina Chevannes: People are people because, like I said, we’re in a complicated world at the moment.

It’s so easy to think bad things about everyone and think that everybody is a bad person, but it’s so good to hear that there are some people out there who just want to help others.

And I think that’s what the world needs.

But it is nice to know that, and I can’t wait to hear about your progress and how close you are to that bestseller.

This is very exciting.

You do motivational talks and everything like that, which is pretty cool and completely understandable.

Yes, I have.

And all I want to say, like I said, you are a world record holder, which is incredible in every sense of the word.

But do you feel that a lot of people maybe look down on it a little bit more because it’s the Indian Book of Records and not a westernized culture?

How do you feel when you’re going to talks and speaking?

I’m curious because there’s a lot of bigotry out there, right?

People think, “Well, you’re not this big American guy talking about all this stuff.”

They come across a different way.

How do people respond to where you’re from and your culture?

Are they respectful?

Gagandeep Singh: Yeah, they’re respectful, but the thing is sometimes they don’t pay much attention because they’re like, “Oh, this is the Indian Book of Records. This is not Guinness World Records.”

But it also takes that kind of hard work to achieve and get into the Indian Book of Records.

So it sometimes doesn’t feel good, but you have to go through that effect while delivering your speech.

I’m just getting started in motivational speaking.

I have a lot to learn in the speaking industry.

I’m not a great speaker yet, but I still have to learn a lot of things.

So I would say sometimes people have that casual attitude, like it’s just Indian Book of Records and not much of a big deal.

But still, you have to deliver that speech.

And I think I’m doing pretty well in that.

I’m still motivating people pretty much.

And then I tell them that motivation is crap.

Even more, don’t consider me a motivational speaker who can inspire you for just some hours and then you go back to your normal life.

It’s not going to happen like that.

I tell them the exact stuff.

They have to be disciplined and consistent regarding whatever they are doing.

So I tell them all those things and then they start to take me seriously after some time.

Sabrina Chevannes: You’re a very confident person, so I can imagine you’d just brush it off and get over it.

But probably less confident people would get a bit dejected and frustrated if they were trying to reach out to bestselling authors.

And if you were to become a bestseller, you’d probably have to reach America because that’s where the world sales are going to be.

So it must be disheartening.

How do you stay so strong?

Gagandeep Singh: Yeah, I mean sometimes it’s disheartening a little bit, but I think I have that kind of perspective to look at it that I don’t have to dwell on these things.

Like, if you do anything great, people are not going to believe in you at first.

You have to make them believe in you by producing the results.

People talk about how results don’t matter, that it’s the journey that matters.

But results do matter.

That is what we count on.

That is what we admire people for, and that is where greatness is counted.

Results matter, of course.

And I think it’s that perspective that helps me not dwell on those things, not be frustrated or trapped in the feeling of being disregarded.

So I think it’s about perspective.

It helps to learn more about that because having that perspective is very helpful.

Sabrina Chevannes: So how has this achievement changed your life?

Gagandeep Singh: It has changed my life, I would say, not in a very big way.

But it’s about, I would say, I already believed that I would achieve this record.

It comes back to that same thing.

You have to think like a champion and believe like a champion and act like a champion before you even become a champion.

So it’s about that.

I already believed that I’ll achieve this thing.

I’m also aiming for world records, and I’m sure that I’ll achieve them as well.

So it’s believing in yourself, having that mindset that I can do that.

And I think it’s all about that.

I’m not excited when I made this record like people sometimes get all that excited.

It was not about that.

They’re acting as if they are winning for the first time.

It’s not like that.

You have to have that belief that winning is normal for me.

I’m used to winning.

So am I happy?

I’m excited about that, but I’m not jumping and shouting because I’m used to winning.

So that’s that.

Sabrina Chevannes: What about becoming a coach?

Because I feel—

Gagandeep Singh: I’m also connecting with some keynote speakers who are very good in the Indian labor market.

And then definitely, I would go for the international speakers which I admire, like John C. Maxwell.

If I happen to meet him in my lifetime, I really admire him.

And I’ve read a lot of his books as well.

He’s a leadership mentor, executive coach, and motivational speaker.

So I’m definitely thinking of going into this motivational speaking journey as well, being a motivation coach and speaking to executives, sports athletes, and every other person in any area of their life to help them achieve the best that they can and be great at what they do.

Sabrina Chevannes: Alright.

Your attitude to it and the fact that you were able to dedicate that much time and do all that is incredible.

I just want to ask again though, from the moment you decided to set the goal to the time that it took you to actually achieve that goal, what was that space and time?

How long did it take?

Gagandeep Singh: It was quite frustrating actually because sometimes you are not making the kind of progress that you think you should do.

Sometimes it was like I’m feeling very well and then sometimes the next day I’m not seeing the results.

I’m losing stamina.

I’m not having that kind of mentality.

But I had the courage to still keep on going instead of having those ups and downs and emotions.

So I would encourage other people to do the same.

Keep going through what you are going through because if you’re going through hell, then don’t stop there because what’s the point of stopping in hell?

Just keep going.

That’s the way you’re going to get out of there.

Sabrina Chevannes: That’s very inspirational.

Can people get in touch with you?

I’m sure that people have lots of questions.

That’s been absolutely fascinating, but I just want to say thank you so much for coming on today.

It’s been incredible, and I think that I’d love to keep in touch to hear more about your bestselling book that you’ll hopefully have very soon.

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